• The first impression a CL player might have after playing LL is – it’s slower and therefore less efficient. Let’s look into the advantages of both styles.

     Note that not all these points have the same "weight".

      LL CL

    You can save unique cards safely

    True, with either value or colour if context allows

    True. Value is more appreciated.
    You can save non-unique cards safely True, with either value or colour if context allows It depends. Therefore more sensitive to buried second copies.

    Handles situations that the other style can’t handle

    True

    True

    Play per clue efficiency

    (excluding finesses)

    Less immediate plays.

    Since you can save more easily, and saves will become plays in the longer term, play per clue ratio is not as obvious.

    More immediate plays. Play per clue ratio seems more obvious, more easily observable.

    Safety

    Safer playstyle. Allows many clues – on chop or off-chop – that would cause bombs in CL.

    This way you can save cards that are neither critical saves, nor immediately playable.

    More importantly, cluing a group of cards in reverse order is situationally allowed.

    More aggressive playstyle. Since saving tolerance is lower than in LL, more clues would be interpreted as plays, regardless of context. Therefore higher risk of bombing with “original” save clues.
    Pace

    Lower % of clues that cause an immediate play.

    May cause pace issues.

    Higher % of clues that cause an immediate play.

    Solves some pace issues.

    Finesses

    Used very situationally – when the clue otherwise makes no sense and/or when the next player really is going to play because they have no way of knowing they shouldn’t.

    Arguably better for safety and worse for pace.

    Extensively used.

    Difficulty

    Situation and history are far more important. Requires deeper analysis.

    Therefore harder to master.

    Much easier to teach to beginners. They can reach decent scores very quickly.
    Overall

    More freedom in clue-giving.

    More mid-term / long-term planning.

    "Good engine, great brakes."

    More immediate speed.

     

    "Awesome engine, poor brakes."

     

     

     
         
         
         

    Other LL links:

    Basics to understand logical leftism
    LL vs CL: the differences
    Concrete LL situations


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  • Variant

    When the following cards are successfully played, the subsequent effect applies.

     

    m1: the team loses a clue*

    m2: for the next three moves, no cluing

    m3: for the next three moves, no discarding

    m4: for the next three moves, no playing**

    m5: the team loses a life or the game ends

     

    *on BGA, you need to remember that you have one less clue token for the rest of the game, unless m1 was played when there were no tokens left

    **if m2-m3-m4 are played consecutively, the next player can do nothing on their turn and the team loses


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  • In several 2-player games, I found myself wishing my teammate discarded from the left instead of from the right, because it would make things much easier to handle.

    So I’m thinking it would be good if there were a way to warn your teammate in such situations. The first thing that occurs to me is an empty clue.

    Thoughts?


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  • We like saving non-uniques when it’s safe!


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  • (What is rightism?) A number of times I came across situations where I received a multicard clue including my second chop and it felt more logical to play rightmost. Would we be discovering a new case of rightism?

    The following case shows this from the other point of view.

    – B4 is the last played card
    – we’ve been low on clues for a few turns (0-0-1-0-0-0-1)
    – I want to clue blue (play right, then discard left) so that I can save G4 later

    New rightism case?

    Looks like a new case of rightism to me. Any arguments for leftism?


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